I first learned that there were black people living in some place called other than the United States in the western hemisphere when I was a very little boy and my father told me that when he was a boy about my age he wanted to be an Episcopal priest because he so admired his priest a black man from someplace called Haiti.

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The Minutemen were seen as more of an art thing than Black Flag although I didn't see them that way. It confused people when we put out Saccharine Trust too.